Tuesday, March 18, 2014

The New Venetian Republic?

It could happen. And for many good reasons, both historic and economic. From Russia Today:

Veneto is one of the biggest and wealthiest provinces in Italy with a population of more than 5 million people. One of the main reasons for the vote is that the region is tired of the backbreaking burden of taxes imposed by Rome.

“We would like to continue the economic ties with Italy,” Lodovico Pizzati, the spokesman for the independence movement, told RT. “But from a fiscal standpoint there’s a huge gap between what we pay in taxes and what we receive as public service. We are talking about a difference of 20 billion euro.”

The latest polls, suggesting that about 65 percent of the population is in favor of becoming independent, have encouraged the independence movement leaders finally to have the region’s fate decided.
Constant brainwashing from the ruling elite and its toadies in the media and academia has convinced many that secession is invoked only by those who enjoy beating their slaves. In fact, secession is a practical solution to the problems caused by overgrown government. And it's coming here.

Tick-tock ...

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At March 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM , Anonymous Sempronius said...

Car Po 18.03.2014 13:46

Italian Constitution, article 3:
"L'Italia è una e indivisibile". (Italy is unitary and indivisible).
The referendum should go through democratic processes, according to the national laws: this is not respected by the online referendum you mention, that's why very very few people here in Italy knows about it.

Moreover the referendum is not legally binding, so it has no value (I'm not saying it is right or wrong)

Sorry that the news you give are so naive, you have a lot to do to improve your work!

At March 19, 2014 at 8:40 AM , Blogger James Owen said...

Secession is invoked by those who are tired of being slaves. Or being ruled over by Massachusetts and it's minions.

At March 20, 2014 at 8:31 AM , Anonymous Sempronius said...

The rich aren't slaves. Veneto is rich. To steal a line from Belloc this is a "revolt of the rich."

At March 20, 2014 at 11:33 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are laws higher than the laws of man, especially those written in a multi-culti "country" like Italy which has changed governments like the seasons since WWII. Do Sicilians want the same government as those 'Italians' in the Nordic League? - NO! It is a NATURAL law that people should be able to choose their own form of government and who shall be their fellow countrymen. I can think of only one government in the modern era that went through peaceful secession/partition: Czechoslovakia. The rest are empires or empire-lites that will say anything to hold on to every square inch under their rule. And leading that pack is the USA. - Dutchy

At March 20, 2014 at 8:21 PM , Anonymous Sempronius said...


You are a hopelessly ignorant man.

Italy's(unified) existence goes back to before the time of Augustus, and can be discerned as early as the Social War(90-88 BC) when coins were struck by the rebels bearing the insignia "Italia".

Govt changes in Italy are too complicated to explain to you're little mind, but they hardly have anything to do with national unity.

The NL is a minority in the North. And Sicilians (and other Southerners) have contributed significantly to Northern development, both before and after unification.

(It's the Northern League, not the Nordic League. And the 12 or so clowns behind this initiative are pretending to try and separate from THE WHOLE OF THE REST OF ITALY, not just Sicily)

Natural law is for dolts like you.

"We would like to continue the economic ties with Italy,” Lodovico Pizzati, the spokesman for the independence movement, told RT."

In other words Pizzati wants to have his cake and eat it too.

Secession is treachery.

At March 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM , Anonymous Sempronius said...

That should read "inscription" not "insignia" above.

At March 22, 2014 at 8:50 AM , Anonymous Weaver said...

Historic Venice is a wonderful polity.

I'm not saying secession is right for it, because I don't live there. But part of me would love for this to be a success.

At March 22, 2014 at 7:38 PM , Anonymous Weaver said...


Italy needn't become an African colony anyway, and something needs to change to prevent that from happening.

No one knows the best strategy for certain. It could be a divided Italy is more vulnerable to the EU and fights among itself. Or it could be a united Italy continues to crush Italians.

Large, regional, mixed polities are what our opponents want. So the inclination is to see small states as preferable. In the past Italy was raped, because it was divided and weak. Is unity still beneficial today? I'm not saying I have the answer.

Large states are more powerful, but the world is more interconnected today. You can hide things more easily in a large state. No one cares as much in a large state either. You gain power, but you lose particular ties. It's not as simple as one form being better than the other. Both have their strengths.

At March 24, 2014 at 4:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dutchy sez,

Ignorant I may very well be about the details of late Roman political history on the Italian peninsula, as if they are all that germane here. I still stand by my comments regarding the instability of modern regimes in Italy, the right of self-determination, and the supremacy of natural law ranking only below the laws of God.

I am, however, well-educated enough to know the difference between "your" and "you're", Sempronius.

It now appears that "rich" Veneto chooses not to support the rest of the peninsula...


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